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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have y'all read about the case that Theodore Olson is bringing before the Supreme Court (not sure if that's California's or the US's but I think it is the US Supreme Court)? He's evidently always been conservative but he believes that our fundamental civil rights are being violated. He is highly regarded by the legal community and has won 44 out of 55 Supreme Court cases. I agree that the court is the only way for us to get our full rights. Like y'all said, politicians by and large are too afraid it will affect their careers.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the case I was referring to, Tanner. It took a major step towards its goal when the judge ruled the case would be heard. The American Foundation for Equal Rights is leading the challenge to Prop. 8. Theodore Olson and David Boies are the attorneys. Olsen is a Republican and Boies, a Democrat; they are two of the best constitutional lawyers in the country.

This is the statement made yesterday by Chad Griffin, Board President of the American Foundation for Equal Rights:

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Our founding fathers did not intend for people's Constitutional rights to be determined by political campaigns. The results in Maine underscore exactly why we are challenging California's same sex marriage ban in federal court. When the Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia, more than 70 percent of Americans disapproved of interracial marriage. The U.S. Constitution guarantees equal rights to every American, and when those rights are violated, it is the role of our courts to protect us, regardless of what the polls say.

This unequal treatment of gays and lesbians denies them the basic liberties and equal protection under the law that are guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.


According to the suit, Proposition 8:
-- Violates the Due Process Clause by impinging on fundamental liberties.
-- Violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
-- Singles out gays and lesbians for a disfavored legal status, thereby creating a category of "second-class citizens."
-- Discriminates on the basis of gender.
-- Discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation.

The importance of the Loving v. Virginia decision is that Court formally recognized marriage as a basic human rights.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And so as Maine goes, so goes the nation:

N.H. Conservatives Energized by Maine


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Conservative Republicans that want a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in New Hampshire feel energized by the success of Question 1 in Maine, but the likelihood of getting such an amendment on the ballot appears slim, at least for now.

The New Hampshire legislature passed a bill to legalize same-sex marriage that Governor John Lynch signed in June, about one month after Maine approved gay couples’ right to marry. Now, conservatives in New Hampshire are looking to the approval of Question 1, which repealed the new law in Maine, as an example for their potential campaign.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand the Maine referendum, a Yes vote was to repeal the gay marriage law, and a No vote was to uphold same sex couples right to marry. Today, in our newspaper, was a picture of two women holding up a sign that read, "Yes on One" and the caption said that they held up a sign supporting gay marriage.

I found that this was the case in Florida as well. I spent a lot of time explaining to people that what we needed here was a No vote. It seems as though these referendums are always purposely vague and confusing. Without thought (which is how too many voters proceed), it would seem that voting yes would be a vote for equality, when really you must vote no. I may be cynical, but I think this trickery is intentional. I wonder how many votes are cast erroneously because of the wording.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't surprise me but the bottom line is once again and again we've gone backwards and I'm sick of it. Rant Rant Rant
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LynetteMae wrote:
It seems as though these referendums are always purposely vague and confusing. Without thought (which is how too many voters proceed), it would seem that voting yes would be a vote for equality, when really you must vote no.

I had the same problem with my own ballot. A No vote was in favor of pay-as-you-throw trashbags. A Yes would repeal it. Fortunately, they had summarized that in the bottom two lines, so I didn't have to read the gobbledy-gook verbiage. But it is always tough and depends on who got the referendum on the ballot.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dejay wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me but the bottom line is once again and again we've gone backwards and I'm sick of it. Rant Rant Rant


Agreed. Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A poll today reveals that in Portugal and regarding same-sex marriage:
45.5% in favour
49.5% against
(5% no opinion)

A similar poll in 2004:
35.3% in favour
55.1% against
9.6 no opinion

So, in the last five years there has been quite a change in the percentage of people in favour (+10%). This is similar to what happened in countries like Spain where the fact that approval of same sex marriage was being considered led to increased approval rates.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great news Wildlx. Smiley Smiley Smiley
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So once again "EQUALITY" will NOT be provided with the new Health Care Bill. It won't provide for abortions and now it won't provide for sex re-assignment. WTF Why not just relegate all of us to some island and just drop off food from time to time. Rant Rant Rant

Sex-Reassignment Surgery Ban Pushed

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Conservative activists are pressing Republican senators to support an amendment that would ban federal funding for sex-reassignment surgery in a public health insurance plan.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wild: Great news. That is a truly encouraging trend.


Deej: No That sucks. So, maternity care won't be in the bill; basic women's health checks won't be covered; contraception won't be provided for, nor abortions, nor sex reassignment, but it will cover healing by prayer. My mind boggles.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dejay, you are quite right in being mad. I have been following the subject and, as Baker says, it does make your mind boggle. For people who haven't been paying attention go here and here.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUT It does fucking covers those little blue pills, YUP, those blue pills that will give the men an erection for four hours. Rant Rant Rant Wanna know why????

Because it could effect their mental health. Mad Mad Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Secret Psst Dejay, it is affect not effect wink.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since men do think with their penises, one could say Viagra effects their mental health. wink
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