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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Time Elapsed Reply with quote

As a wanna be author I'm often frustrated by the amount of time it takes me to write a piece once I have the concept in my mind. I've had some stories come to me in a matter of hours, but at other times I just struggle trying to find the right words. Sad Sad Sad

Any suggestions. Anyone else have this issue???? Please don't tell me I'm alone with this problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, hell, yes, ALL THE TIME. It's the story (heh heh) of my life.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, Deej, you are so far from being alone!

Yes, I've had stories come pouring out that I can't type fast enough. Others...well, it's like trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

Words of advice? I hope someone has some for us. Smile Personally, I just go with whatever is happening: enjoy it or endure it and hope that what comes out is worth it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Time Elapsed Reply with quote

dejay wrote:
As a wanna be author

Oh, Dejay, Dejay, Dejay... Tut Yes, you are alone. Very much alone.

dejay wrote:
As an author...

OK, now I can respond.

First, welcome to the club. Remember, Nicola Griffith rewrote Stay 13 times. 13 f***ing times! (And ignore Baker, she of the "I write a second draft from a blank screen and that's pretty much final." We hate writers like that. Mad Mad Mad

The miracle, of course, is knowing you don't need a 14th draft. I think the more complicated the story, the harder it is. My pirate story took six agonizing months. The Christmas story only a couple. Much simpler story (of course, it has not sold).

I don't think there's any sage advice to give. The whole point of writing is to enjoy it or don't bother. If you don't mind the agonizing, if you get a high when you finally crack some code that lets you find the word or words you are looking for, then you just slog through it.

I do remain hopeful that the more I do this, the easier it might come. Already, when I'm reading something I've written, I can hear the little voices (OK, not so little in your case) of the critters on this site: "You aren't serious here, are you?" "I don't think that's believable." "You might need a comma there."

That's either a good thing or will eventually get me committed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Olen Butler addresses this in one of his lectures in From Where You Dream, subtitle: The Process of Writing Fiction. Basically he says that art doesn't come from ideas or from thinking; it comes from where you dream. He calls it the writer's dreamspace or the zone.

The idea is that you write from that half-conscious awareness of a daydream. I've found it is possible to get there and the writing does come easily when I've managed it. Getting there requires a regular daily segment of uninterrupted time and, in a way, actually day-dreaming your story. I couldn't maintain a schedule well enough to get good at doing it, but it is possible.

Of course, after that first draft, Olen presents all kinds of ideas and thinking that are necessary in editing and revising what comes from the "dream."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always seem to hit that state in the middle of the night when I don't want to/can't bring myself to write in the dark on the pad of paper I do keep by the bed. Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trick is to achieve that space at times other than just before you go to sleep. wink That happens to me too, Elaine. But, at this point, I've given up on the novel until I finish editing. I just can't seem to write my book while editing someone else's...I even have trouble reading another book while I'm editing. This one-track mind must be old-timer's disease.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proofrdr wrote:
Robert Olen Butler...calls it the writer's dreamspace or the zone.

The idea is that you write from that half-conscious awareness of a daydream.


Thanks for sharing this Proof. I get this way sometimes when writing. I taught myself how to touchtype about ten years ago so I didn't have to look at the keys. Sometimes I just stare into space while I type the story away. It's almost as if I'm watching the story unfold and frantically trying to keep up typing it all down as I see it. It's funny - I catch myself staring to the left and soemtimese left and up. Never to the right. Is this the right brain/left brain thing?

But, anyway, dejay -- yeah sometimes everything comes to a screeching halt. I wrote an entire novel while "stuck" on another. Ha-ha. At least I wasn't idle, eh? rofl

Good luck, girl. You'll find it! Smiley
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started writing, it was really easy and fun. That's because I had no freaking clue what I was doing. I didn't know you needed to choose words or have a POV or a plot or anything. Once I learned a little bit about the craft, it became a zillion times harder and slower to write because I was aware of those things. Words did matter.

I'm still at that stage. Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out Sterling Editing's latest post on rewrites. And by god, if you haven't read Bird by Bird, by Anne Lamott, get it today. That and Writing Down the Bones. You'll see what good company you are in.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ladies ~ thank-you. I'm gleaning some marvelous recommendations for reading from a discussion about your frustrations... I will also observe that you are not alone, which is not always helpful to know, but it is validation of sorts.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, hell, yes, Teep. If you take a sweep through some of the craft discussion threads, you'll see lots of frustration and shared agonies. Ah, the joys of writing! wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, who besides me doesn't finish writing 90% of the stories they start?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're supposed to finish them?
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