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dejay I Am My Own Forum


Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 16536 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: Time Elapsed |
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As a wanna be author I'm often frustrated by the amount of time it takes me to write a piece once I have the concept in my mind. I've had some stories come to me in a matter of hours, but at other times I just struggle trying to find the right words.
Any suggestions. Anyone else have this issue???? Please don't tell me I'm alone with this problem. _________________ I had some words with my wife - she had some paragraphs with me! .
Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right, and the other is a butch.
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HH BorgQueen's Lovely Wife

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 9183 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, hell, yes, ALL THE TIME. It's the story (heh heh) of my life. _________________ Amazon Rank = AMAZNO.com |
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Baker Does Stuff Around Here Occasionally

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 13421 Location: NZ
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, Deej, you are so far from being alone!
Yes, I've had stories come pouring out that I can't type fast enough. Others...well, it's like trying to squeeze blood from a stone.
Words of advice? I hope someone has some for us. Personally, I just go with whatever is happening: enjoy it or endure it and hope that what comes out is worth it. _________________ Life.  |
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ElaineB 12-Step Posting Wash-out


Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 1102 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Time Elapsed |
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| dejay wrote: |
| As a wanna be author |
Oh, Dejay, Dejay, Dejay... Yes, you are alone. Very much alone.
| dejay wrote: |
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OK, now I can respond.
First, welcome to the club. Remember, Nicola Griffith rewrote Stay 13 times. 13 f***ing times! (And ignore Baker, she of the "I write a second draft from a blank screen and that's pretty much final." We hate writers like that.
The miracle, of course, is knowing you don't need a 14th draft. I think the more complicated the story, the harder it is. My pirate story took six agonizing months. The Christmas story only a couple. Much simpler story (of course, it has not sold).
I don't think there's any sage advice to give. The whole point of writing is to enjoy it or don't bother. If you don't mind the agonizing, if you get a high when you finally crack some code that lets you find the word or words you are looking for, then you just slog through it.
I do remain hopeful that the more I do this, the easier it might come. Already, when I'm reading something I've written, I can hear the little voices (OK, not so little in your case) of the critters on this site: "You aren't serious here, are you?" "I don't think that's believable." "You might need a comma there."
That's either a good thing or will eventually get me committed. |
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Proofrdr Posting = Life = Sad Specimen


Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 4283 Location: Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Robert Olen Butler addresses this in one of his lectures in From Where You Dream, subtitle: The Process of Writing Fiction. Basically he says that art doesn't come from ideas or from thinking; it comes from where you dream. He calls it the writer's dreamspace or the zone.
The idea is that you write from that half-conscious awareness of a daydream. I've found it is possible to get there and the writing does come easily when I've managed it. Getting there requires a regular daily segment of uninterrupted time and, in a way, actually day-dreaming your story. I couldn't maintain a schedule well enough to get good at doing it, but it is possible.
Of course, after that first draft, Olen presents all kinds of ideas and thinking that are necessary in editing and revising what comes from the "dream." _________________ I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master.
I want the full menu of rights.
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ElaineB 12-Step Posting Wash-out


Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 1102 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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I always seem to hit that state in the middle of the night when I don't want to/can't bring myself to write in the dark on the pad of paper I do keep by the bed.  |
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Proofrdr Posting = Life = Sad Specimen


Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 4283 Location: Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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The trick is to achieve that space at times other than just before you go to sleep. That happens to me too, Elaine. But, at this point, I've given up on the novel until I finish editing. I just can't seem to write my book while editing someone else's...I even have trouble reading another book while I'm editing. This one-track mind must be old-timer's disease. _________________ I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master.
I want the full menu of rights.
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BassGuitarGirl Getting the Hang of This Forum Thing


Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 484 Location: Florida
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Proofrdr wrote: |
Robert Olen Butler...calls it the writer's dreamspace or the zone.
The idea is that you write from that half-conscious awareness of a daydream. |
Thanks for sharing this Proof. I get this way sometimes when writing. I taught myself how to touchtype about ten years ago so I didn't have to look at the keys. Sometimes I just stare into space while I type the story away. It's almost as if I'm watching the story unfold and frantically trying to keep up typing it all down as I see it. It's funny - I catch myself staring to the left and soemtimese left and up. Never to the right. Is this the right brain/left brain thing?
But, anyway, dejay -- yeah sometimes everything comes to a screeching halt. I wrote an entire novel while "stuck" on another. Ha-ha. At least I wasn't idle, eh?
Good luck, girl. You'll find it!  _________________ When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile.
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HH BorgQueen's Lovely Wife

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 9183 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: |
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When I first started writing, it was really easy and fun. That's because I had no freaking clue what I was doing. I didn't know you needed to choose words or have a POV or a plot or anything. Once I learned a little bit about the craft, it became a zillion times harder and slower to write because I was aware of those things. Words did matter.
I'm still at that stage.  _________________ Amazon Rank = AMAZNO.com |
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ElaineB 12-Step Posting Wash-out


Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 1102 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Check out Sterling Editing's latest post on rewrites. And by god, if you haven't read Bird by Bird, by Anne Lamott, get it today. That and Writing Down the Bones. You'll see what good company you are in. |
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teep13 Unsullied Newbie


Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Wisconsin, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Ladies ~ thank-you. I'm gleaning some marvelous recommendations for reading from a discussion about your frustrations... I will also observe that you are not alone, which is not always helpful to know, but it is validation of sorts. _________________ "My best friend is the person who gives me a book I have not read..."
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Baker Does Stuff Around Here Occasionally

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 13421 Location: NZ
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, hell, yes, Teep. If you take a sweep through some of the craft discussion threads, you'll see lots of frustration and shared agonies. Ah, the joys of writing!  _________________ Life.  |
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HH BorgQueen's Lovely Wife

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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, who besides me doesn't finish writing 90% of the stories they start? _________________ Amazon Rank = AMAZNO.com |
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dejay I Am My Own Forum


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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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   _________________ I had some words with my wife - she had some paragraphs with me! .
Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right, and the other is a butch.
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grewgirl Part-Time Poster


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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| We're supposed to finish them? |
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